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Disney's Atlantis is not much like Nadia

Fri Oct 30, 2009, 1:29 PM
One of the comments to my recent journals about Nadia, Secret of Blue Water advanced the theory that Disney's animation department ripped off a lot of their ideas from the Nadia show. I had doubts about this, but then decided to watch the Atlantis movie to refresh my memory. Okay, Jean from Nadia and Milo from Atlantis both wear glasses, and Nadia and Princess Kida both wear magic amulets, and both do give the Atlanteans architecture that borrows elements from ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, or Babylon— but there seems to be universal agreement that Atlantis buildings must have been like that among everyone who's EVER done an Atlantis story.

So let's see.

Nadia turns 15 late in the show, doesn't know she's Atlantean, much less their princess, and the more she learns about them, the more she hates them.

Kida's several thousand years old, though she looks about 25, and has been an active leader of her people since birth. Not too much similarity there!

Jean is a young French boy about Nadia's age, who designs boats and flying machines with his uncle. He has a very positive, go-get-em attitude.

Milo is a shy linguistics professor, probably about 25-30 years old, with a personality far more like songwriting Roger from 101 Dalmations than anyone I've ever seen in any anime.

The relationships may have some similarity, in that both Nadia and Kida are (sometimes) impressed with Jean's and Milo's practical skills, but the Nadia show has so much more time to develop the romance (too much time, perhaps). And both Nadia and Kida can lose their wills and personalities from augmented mystic amulet overdose. But the situations where this happens are very different.

The Atlanteans in Disney's Atlantis are an isolated tribe, more or less helpless against 1914 American adventurers.

The Neo-Atlanteans from Nadia are a bunch of evil world-conquerers, against whom the Earth of 1890 is pretty helpless. Kinda the exact opposite.

The submarine crew of Nemo's Nautilus in Nadia are pretty much your "straight" anime crew, as opposed to crew of misfits (about equally common). The three jewel thieves take on the misfit roles.

Disney's submarine has a crew of misfits, though they are a pretty tight unit. They're all hyperactive jive-talkers like Aladdin's Genie! That's right, a whole crew of Genies! How much comic relief can you take, seriously?

Nadia kind of reminded me of a older Disney movie, at least until she started bathing onscreen, but Atlantis shows just how far Disney had diverged by this time. The tendency toward wild personalities that begins with Cinderella's stepsisters and Cruella DeVille, got accentuated by Genie, Timon and Pumbaa, and kinda goes a little too far in Atlantis. No wait, I have seen this in classic Disney! Alice in Wonderland!

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I wasn't advancing it, I was just curious. I'm an Atlantis fan who's heard that theory EVERYWHERE.

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They're both good shows, but quite different. Miyasaki's movie "Castle in the Sky" is the closest parallel to Nadia, which is actually based on a Miyasaki idea.
:icontimelike01:
Disney rip-off another show? Doesn't sound so farfetched to me since The Lion King is a total rip off of Kimba the White Lion.
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Since I'm not familiar with Kimba the White Lion, I can neither affirm or refute this assertion. Are you actually familiar with the Kimba series, or just repeating what other people say?

In the case of Atlantis and Nadia, since I'm now familiar with both, I can say that Atlantis is not, repeat, NOT a ripoff of Nadia. Take it from someone who has both in his video library. They're almost completely different.
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With regard to Kimba and The Lion Kiing, I'm very familiar with Kimba. I watched it all the time when I was a kid. And from what I remember, I saw many of the same themes in it as were in The Lion King. And believe me, The Lion King is a definite rip-off of Kimba.
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Okay.

Just out of curiosity, did Kimba have any characters analogous to Timon and Puumbaa? Or the witch-doctor baboon?



I guess I have mixed feelings about this sort of "ripoff." Shakespeare did it a lot, so it can't be that terrible. Animes rip off each other all the time. They even sometimes poke fun at this. Why does the giant robot pilot almost always not want to pilot the giant robot? Why are transfer students mysterious? Why are androids and aliens so often quiet spooky girls?

I'm inclined to excuse it if the "copy" show is as good as or better than the original, and especially, if it's at least substantially different in some significant way. If you can't improve it, why borrow it? The Third, for example, has Honoka doing a move with her sword very similar in style and effect to Inuyasha's tetsusaiga's "Wind Scar"— but Honoka's wind scar has stupendous effects that Inuyasha couldn't dream of doing. I look at it and think, now that's a real wind scar!

I guess I'm not even going to admit the vast amount of stuff I borrowed from somewhere or other to make Molly Blue. I think I'm putting it together differently!
:icontimelike01:
Among other things, Kimba had a baboon mentor, Kimba's father was killed and Kimba had to constantly deal with an archenemy lion who tried to take over. Plus Kimba and Simba sound alike. If only Disney could've come up with a different name.
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I think Tarzan also had a lion named Simba at some point. Not Disney's Tarzan, Dell Comics' Tarzan.

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